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Post by GardenRail » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:59 am

pauly:97009 wrote:Gone are the days when you could buy a brand new Edrig for little over £400 and a second hand one for £300 odd.

I think in the next 10 years we are going to see either a huge shift in the consumer base or the market is simply going to crumple in on itself, its heading towards a crash
Do you think so? Certainly membership of, for instance, the 16mm Association is up to well over 4000 now. When I first moved into the hobby 27 years ago it was around 1500 and a Merlin Mayflower cost me £450. I do think that locomotive prices should be compared to incomes at the time. We certainly had had a blip a few years ago in terms of Accucraft coming onto the market with cheaper locomotives, but they are nowadays increasing in price as the savings from far east production drop. I would say that the prices are around the same as they always were in terms of purchasers income, but standards of manufacture have increased enormously. Early Roundhouse and Merlin locomotives were comparatively crude (although Roundhouse always had the edge on logistical backup).

There will of course be variations in business due to recessions etc and each one of these is different. For instance during the recession in the late 80s, Roundhouse sales went up as people were early retired. This is something that won't be happening during the current unpleasantness and I don't know the financial position of this company of course, but they ARE expanding with more staff and extra factory space. Accucraft are also expanding and other businesses (such as Simon Whenmouth's Anything Narrow Gauge, GRS and Trackshack are moving into new locomotive supply.

On an individual level we all hate to see prices rise and of course the longer we are around the cheaper our recognised price point will be (I purchased one of the first R/C Roundhouse Fowlers for £630 on launch) and that seemed a hell of a lot of money at the time. My pension now however, is significantly more than twice my then salary!!

So no – I don't see any signs of impending doom. Even on the electrical front the sales of PIKO are continuously improving and, while I have little info on LGB there does seem to be more of it about..

funandtrains

Post by funandtrains » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:46 pm

I think one of the reasons is that now their is plenty of ready to run rolling stock available either new from Accucraft or well made kits. This attracted the cheque book modellers where money is not a problem. These before would of bought LGB or Marklin but now they have a source of British narrow gauge models to buy at similar or lower prices.

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Post by steam4ian » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:28 pm

Managed to pick up a Fulgurex 0-4-0 for AUD460.00 = GBP 255.00.

See http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Live-Steam-L ... 7675.l2557

A bit too much but at least I kept it in Australia, I could see OS bidders were trying for it.
Sorry if you missed out.

It has some problem with one crank pin but I should be able to sort it out.

I wasn't going to buy it until my wife say I had been watching it and liked it. Good girl! :-)

Ian

funandtrains

Post by funandtrains » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:30 pm

steam4ian:98252 wrote:Managed to pick up a Fulgurex 0-4-0 for AUD460.00 = GBP 255.00.

See http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Live-Steam-L ... 7675.l2557

A bit too much but at least I kept it in Australia, I could see OS bidders were trying for it.
Sorry if you missed out.

It has some problem with one crank pin but I should be able to sort it out.

I wasn't going to buy it until my wife say I had been watching it and liked it. Good girl! :-)

Ian
I was watching that one but price went past my limit. Interesting Aster locos but very small and even more basic than a Mamod having single acting cylinders.

steam4ian

Post by steam4ian » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:14 pm

Could have got two Mamods (MSS variety) for that.

Did alright with some Mamod rolling stock from USA. I put in what I was prepared to pay and went to bed last night (my time). There was some active last minute building but I still won by this morning.
Very competitive price even with postage for what is just some bent tinplate.

Now I just have to make my MSS/Mamod run the full club circuit.

Ian

Big Jim

Post by Big Jim » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:51 pm

It appears that it is not just Live Steam that is so affected.
I have been keeping an eye out for Big Big and Faller type stuff for the son play with and over the last few months the prices seem to be going though the roof.
People paying 25 to 30 quid for a tipper wagon!
Sorry but I would rather have 2.5 binnies for that.
Rustons and the steam shunter in poor or buggered about condition hitting £40
Still good luck to the sellers.

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Post by pauly » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:01 am

Big Jim:98619 wrote:It appears that it is not just Live Steam that is so affected.
I have been keeping an eye out for Big Big and Faller type stuff for the son play with and over the last few months the prices seem to be going though the roof.
People paying 25 to 30 quid for a tipper wagon!
Sorry but I would rather have 2.5 binnies for that.
Rustons and the steam shunter in poor or buggered about condition hitting £40
Still good luck to the sellers.
I was actually looking at Faller Big Big stuff the other day and the prices certainly have risen, it would appears hey have reached an age where they are considerably more collectible as well as being desirable to modellers hence the price rise
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Post by Andrew » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:51 pm

Yes, I've found that.

For years I've used Big Big running gear for my rolling stock because it runs well and used to be available very cheaply. Having looked to purchase more recently I've been horrified by the prices and will now have to revert to the usual garden railway suppliers. At least that'll mean I can have metal wheels for a nice "clickety-clack".

As I've suggested elsewhere, German Ebay used to be a good cheap source of Faller stuff - I haven't checked recently so maybe that advice no longer holds good. Fortunately I bought up a whole bunch of Faller rolling stock 10 years ago - I'm about to dig it out for my kids to play with over the summer.

Cheers,

Andrew.

steam4ian

Post by steam4ian » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:37 am

steam4ian:98252 wrote:Managed to pick up a Fulgurex 0-4-0 for AUD460.00 = GBP 255.00.

See http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Live-Steam-L ... 7675.l2557

A bit too much but at least I kept it in Australia, I could see OS bidders were trying for it.
Sorry if you missed out.

It has some problem with one crank pin but I should be able to sort it out.

I wasn't going to buy it until my wife say I had been watching it and liked it. Good girl! :-)

Ian
Little 0-4-0 arrived in post today in very good condition, well packed.

In spite of being an oscillator with single acting cylinders it is a relatively sophisticated loco, vapourising burner, B type boiler, lubricator and regulator, beautifully built. It did not take much to correct the quartering problem. I shall steam it in a minute.

Saw one on eBay today for EUR500.

Ian

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Post by merlin2 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:31 pm

My wife got herself a completed RH Billy with boiler cert and dual micro servos fitted for £450 at Warwick just the other week.
£40 for a Saturn Tx/Rx combo and she now has a very nice looking and running loco for what I consider to be a not unreasonable price.
We will be spending the extra £70 for the running boards, as we think it looks a lot better with them than without.
I got a Ragleth at Exeter 2 years ago, second hand, but never been run and with all certs etc, for £700; again it has proved to be a good investemnt.
So I guess the moral of the story is be patient, don't buy on-line, particularly from auction sites, but wait until you can get to a show and see what the exhibitors have to offer.
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steam4ian

Post by steam4ian » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:47 pm

You can do alright on eBay, I have as all of my stock except the MSS/Mamod were bought there. (I bought the MSS new on line.)

A Regner Willie for AUD500
A Ruby with tender and fitted for RC but no transmitter for AUD500
An Aster 0-4-0 for AUD460.

I have fixed the problem with the quartering of the wheels. Trying to steam it was a disappointment, it needs a fan. Arranging a fan is today's job :-). Might be able to use the one off my 5" loco.

Hopefully my bought on eBay rolling stock arrives this coming week to run on my bought on eBay track!

Ian

ps. I have no commercial association with eBay.

funandtrains

Post by funandtrains » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:11 pm

steam4ian:98885 wrote:You can do alright on eBay, I have as all of my stock except the MSS/Mamod were bought there. (I bought the MSS new on line.)

A Regner Willie for AUD500
A Ruby with tender and fitted for RC but no transmitter for AUD500
An Aster 0-4-0 for AUD460.

I have fixed the problem with the quartering of the wheels. Trying to steam it was a disappointment, it needs a fan. Arranging a fan is today's job :-). Might be able to use the one off my 5" loco.

Hopefully my bought on eBay rolling stock arrives this coming week to run on my bought on eBay track!

Ian

ps. I have no commercial association with eBay.
I agree with you, I have got plenty of bargains on ebay, you just have to set your limit and be prepared to wait if you want something specific. You also have to waste a lot of time searching!

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Post by steam4ian » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:16 am

Steve.

Thanks for rely.
Just came in from steaming Aster 0-4-0, wife has named it Beatrice.

I used the fan* from my 5"gauge engine to draw the fire and got steam up quite well. Still a bit of work to do with the burner to get it really flaming. It is a vapourising type and I now understand that getting the wick right is critical; the wick is inside the vapouriser and is important to generate the pressure.

The fan always draws comment as well as smoke at the club steaming bay. It is a CPU fan mounted on a cat food can, a hole in the bottom with some clips sits it on top of the loco chimney, this just happens to be the same diameter as Beatrice's balloon stack.
power is two 6 volt lantern batteries.

Beatrice needs a few more adjustment before I take her to the club, anyway she now runs on blocks.

I sense a photo coming on.

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