Cruise control for DeWinton

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Cruise control for DeWinton

Post by dewintondave » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:51 am

My trusty meths fired Dave Watkins "Idris" based DeWinton has just been out-shopped with R/C servos on the regulator and whistle. The whistle servo is glued on top of the regulator servo, which in-turn is glued on to a timber mounting. The timber insulates the servos well from the heat of the footplate.

A new slightly larger bunker was made to hide the servos. The loco is now sporting a paint-stripped boiler and fittings, and black bunker and water tank.

There's a spring on the whistle wire so that a full pull can be made without straining anything. A keyfob 433 MHZ radio transmitter starts and stops the train and at the same time sounds the whistle for a spot of fun. The whistle can be operated independantly too, but always with my favourite "peep-pip-pip" sequence.

A trailing truck houses the receiver, batteries and cruise control gear. This controls the regulator to maintain a scale 10 mph, and works well. It compensates for boiler pressure fluctuations like after topping up the water via the Goodall valve.

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Post by hussra » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:23 pm

Interesting stuff - would love to know more about the contents of the van and how it manages the speed.
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Post by dewintondave » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:42 am

hussra:70252 wrote:Interesting stuff - would love to know more about the contents of the van and how it manages the speed.
All the control gubbins is in a truck with the batteries and receiver. The wheel speed is measured and the servo is moved accordingly and the radio overides the control to stop the loco. I haven't automated the reverse as I just like to run round and round the layout.

I had previously radio controlled the loco but it was quite intensive and a close eye had to be kept on the train so that it didn't stall or run away . But, now it is automated and allows me to take my eye off the train and go inside and top-up the meths bottle etc.

I bet your Wren would benefit from it. My other steamers don't require it as they can plod along nicely, but this model can be a bit flighty and stally so needed taming, 10 mph has worked out quite well for it.

This video shows the servo operations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVGK2BXvO4

And this is the latest showing stopping and starting and plenty of whistling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDi22WcKEEM

On a manual model it would be good to R/C the whistle for the sheer fun of it. My whistle's getting far more use as it's always within reach now.

Best wishes,
Dave.

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Post by spooner » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:00 pm

Your control system look novel and very affective.I would like to have a go at simile control system.

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Post by DaveWatkins » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:43 pm

Marvellous stuff. Well done.

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Post by hussra » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:27 am

dewintondave:70272 wrote:I bet your Wren would benefit from it.  My other steamers don't require it as they can plod along nicely, but this model can be a bit flighty and stally so needed taming, 10 mph has worked out quite well for it.
The Wren can indeed be a bit flighty (though it acquitted itself remarkably well on Shane's line), though it's hard to imagine quite how or where one would fit a servo! It also has something of a tendency to wheelslip...
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Post by hussra » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:27 am

dewintondave:70272 wrote:All the control gubbins is in a truck with the batteries and receiver.  The wheel speed is measured and the servo is moved accordingly and the radio overides the control to stop the loco.  I haven't automated the reverse as I just like to run round and round the layout.
Interesting (and highly ingenious) - is the control circuitry something you have designed yourself?
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Post by dewintondave » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:54 am

hussra:70380 wrote:Interesting (and highly ingenious) - is the control circuitry something you have designed yourself?
It's a hotch-potch of parts really, all sprinkled with a big dose of good fortune.

Here's a picture of the loco and 3-plank control wagon in finished guise:

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The wagon wheelsets, buffers, and axlebox arrangements are Brandbright.

It's surprising how long the AAA eneloop batteries are lasting, I've done quite a bit of running and testing, but haven't charged the batteries yet.

Best wishes,

Dave.

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Post by jabsteam » Sat May 05, 2012 3:34 pm

Brilliant idea on the Cruise Control!
Can you adjust the controlled speed desired?

Will you be offering the Cruise Control for sale??
I have a couple of engines that would benefit from a Cruise Control system on my hilly ground layout.
If you are interested in selling, please email me at;
jabsteam@hotmail.com

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Post by dewintondave » Sun May 06, 2012 11:46 am

jabsteam:70540 wrote:Brilliant idea on the Cruise Control!
Can you adjust the controlled speed desired?
Thank you Jim. I could adjust the speed, but a scale 10 mph suits this loco well, and it sits right in the middle of the usual narrow gauge operating speeds.

I did a lot of testing this weekend, burnt a lot of alcohol, adjusting the parameters. The little loco now handles a 9' LGB train as well as does a short train, and the cruise control takes it in its stride. We were getting a bit of wheel spin in a couple of areas of the track today.

And, the eneloop AAA's are still holding out!

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Post by dewintondave » Tue May 22, 2012 10:11 am

I got up early on Sunday and braved the very cold temperature outdoors to do some videoing.  It was worth it, the steam effects were the best yet.  

Here is a video that shows the loco being prepared for a run around our line, and the actual run with the camera on the regulator watching it go about its own business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WKNQEL9_LY

I'm going to write-up how I made the control gear so that others can have go if they would like.

Best wishes,
Dave

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Post by Dr. Bond of the DVLR » Tue May 22, 2012 6:15 pm

Mesmerising! Please could you explain the function of an exhaust bypass? That cruise control really gets the best out of a little loco! Really impressive.
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Post by dewintondave » Wed May 23, 2012 10:31 am

Mr. Bond of the DVLR:71104 wrote:Please could you explain the function of an exhaust bypass?
It's a modification I initially made to drain excess condensate out of the motor when running, but it had other unexpected uses. When the loco is stationary if I open the forward running drain cock, put the reverser into reverse, and then open the regulator, steam is sent though the port block, and out of the drain. This heats the whole motor up. With sufficient heating the loco can be driven off without any pushing or shoving (which used to be the case). Nowadays, when the loco is standing I leave it in reverse with the drain cock open, passing a little steam to keep the motor nice and hot.

In forward gear, with the drain cock open, some of the exhaust steam is directed out of the drain. The idea of the drain cock was to relieve some of the torturous route that the exhaust has to go through to get from the lower ports up to the reversing valve and beyond.

Here is a diagram of the port block showing the drillings. The brass tubes that connect to the exhaust bypass valves are connected to the long vertical drillings that feed steam/exhaust to or from the front ports in the port block.
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Here is the port block attached to mounting bracket showing piping and valves:

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This loco has the exhaust directed underneath the boiler and up the flue to draw the fire. If a bypass valve is open too much not enough steam will be made, and if closed too far too much steam is made. It differs with the weather, and fine tuning can get the steam production just right.

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Dave.

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Post by 11thHour » Mon May 28, 2012 6:34 am

dewintondave:71121 wrote:
Mr. Bond of the DVLR:71104 wrote:It's a modification I initially made to drain excess condensate out of the motor when running, but it had other unexpected uses.  

Best wishes,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Looking forward to future posts on this subject.
Could you have achieved all functions with only one bypass instead of both or am I missing something?

regards Tim

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Post by dewintondave » Mon May 28, 2012 8:09 am

11thHour:71280 wrote:Could you have achieved all functions with only one bypass instead of both or am I missing something?

regards Tim
Hi Tim, Two are needed if both forward and reverse are to be drained/bypassed. This loco originally only had one, and it worked in forward gear only.

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Post by dewintondave » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:03 am

I have just started the description of how the cruise control is made in the "Projects" section for those who would like to build one: http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/about5808.html

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